What is wrong with whoever is in charge of programming at the network!
I just saw an ad for some piece of tripe called Pampered Pets with Beth Stern and it will air on Friday night. Please tell me what the heck pampered pets have to do with design and gardening, etc?! This is coming from someone who will do anything for my dogs at that.
This really grinds my nerves because as we've mentioned before, Chip's show, which is amazing gets no PR and has such a random time slot and it's a quality show! Would it really hurt them to, I dunno, swap out one of the bajillion reruns of HH or HHI with shows like Elbow Room?
What gives HGTV?! Seriously...
Jun 17, 2012, 01:08 AM
mriley
I also saw those ads and couldn't believe what I was seeing. Things seem to be going from bad to worse.
I think they need to move Elbow Room to a better time slot and let people know about this gem.
I am sending an email to HGTV while I am in a butt kicking mood.
Jun 17, 2012, 08:59 AM
santa_fe
I would love to hear what kind of logic goes on behind the programming.
Jun 17, 2012, 01:39 PM
susan2214
HGTV's parent company has jumped on the Reality, Celebrity, Game Show and Product Promotion bankwagon. They have currently doubled their order for new HH and HHI shows and doubled down on advertising and promotion of this show, including radio promotion, website and interactive game promotion. Their market analysis show viewers "Love" this show. We're also going to see more interactive marketing shows that promote products so you can watch High Low and immediately log onto Targets website and buy the items you see that you like. They also think we are super interested in celebrities homes, life, pets and life-style so we will be seeing more shows featuring the rich and famous. It's so inspiring to watch a parade of shows featuring things out of reach for most of us. And lastly we will be seeing more relality type shows featuring people as they go about their daily business -- deacorating, remodeling, house hunting, crashing etc. -- complete with the all the hysterics and drama. So disappointing! But I guess that is what America wants now days. I'm obviously in the minority...
Jun 17, 2012, 02:23 PM
Charming
Hmmm, Pampered pets? I wonder if it will be the Hollywood version of people weaing incredibly trashy looking clothes while carrying around obnoxious little beasts; or real pampered pets where we go to the extreme of digging deep and making sacrifices to pay a $6,000 vet bill to save a pet.
Now which is more pampered and which is going to be on the show?
Jun 17, 2012, 03:19 PM
ACWhite
Ugggh, I'm like the rest of you - love my pets but would not watch any show about "pampered" in the first sense that Charming described. I also do volunteer rescue work and I wonder: How many neglected, abandoned, and abused animals could be rescued and cared for, for the cost of a diamond collar?
Jun 17, 2012, 03:20 PM
aychihuahua
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Please tell me what the heck pampered pets have to do with design and gardening, etc?!
In 2012, it is estimated that that nearly $53 billion will be spent on our pets in the U.S., according to the American Pet Products Association. That figure not only includes food and apparel, but also furnishings, special landscaping and outdoor spaces for our furry friends.
That's why.
Jun 17, 2012, 03:24 PM
aychihuahua
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Originally posted by Charming: Hmmm, Pampered pets? I wonder if it will be the Hollywood version of people weaing incredibly trashy looking clothes while carrying around obnoxious little beasts; or real pampered pets where we go to the extreme of digging deep and making sacrifices to pay a $6,000 vet bill to save a pet.
Now which is more pampered and which is going to be on the show?
I'm with all of you on this. Thats why I haven't been on here for some time now as opposed to being in the past. This also applies to everything thats on HGTV besides House Hunters and HH International. Which I still watch, but not has often as in the past. Even though I do still get annoyed with the people that are featured on the show. Especially, the international ones that expect to found everything that they accustomed to back in America and etc. At the same time have pretty much stopped watching Food, TLC, Travel (especially no more Samantha Brown, her shows), A & E, History, Lifetime, etc. Which I always enjoyed big time) Networks because its gotten too much for me and etc.
Think thats for now.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Jessica A B,
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Jun 17, 2012, 04:54 PM
Charming
LOL - I was reading over the posts following my last about pampered pets and my pampered boy was passing gas with little toots the whole time.
Jun 17, 2012, 05:01 PM
Jessica A B
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Originally posted by Charming: LOL - I was reading over the posts following my last about pampered pets and my pampered boy was passing gas with little toots the whole time.
Hmm okay
Jessica A B
Jun 17, 2012, 06:57 PM
professorc
Sad. very sad to see HGTV slipping further backwards. I agree Elbow Room isn't featured nor is Curb Appeal any more. But a show about pets will be- and Million Dollar Rooms still seems a little tasteless in the present economy.
Jun 17, 2012, 08:09 PM
doodles64
The trashing of America, one brain cell at a time.
Jun 17, 2012, 08:19 PM
Jessica A B
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Originally posted by doodles64: The trashing of America, one brain cell at a time.
2nd this response for sure.
Jessica A B
Jun 17, 2012, 10:25 PM
Graciepj
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Originally posted by susan2214: HGTV's parent company has jumped on the Reality, Celebrity, Game Show and Product Promotion bankwagon. They have currently doubled their order for new HH and HHI shows and doubled down on advertising and promotion of this show, including radio promotion, website and interactive game promotion. Their market analysis show viewers "Love" this show. We're also going to see more interactive marketing shows that promote products so you can watch High Low and immediately log onto Targets website and buy the items you see that you like. They also think we are super interested in celebrities homes, life, pets and life-style so we will be seeing more shows featuring the rich and famous. It's so inspiring to watch a parade of shows featuring things out of reach for most of us. And lastly we will be seeing more relality type shows featuring people as they go about their daily business -- deacorating, remodeling, house hunting, crashing etc. -- complete with the all the hysterics and drama. So disappointing! But I guess that is what America wants now days. I'm obviously in the minority...
I guess it's what advertisers think Americans who are 18-to-49 years old want these days. The market research probably goes something like this: Choose the show you are most likely to watch...A. Show with cute female or male host doing something in tight or revealing clothing. B. Show with bickering couples looking at houses or C. Show with D-list celebrity showing off their house/car/RV/dog. The option to have an informational show with a knowledgeable gardener, designer or crafter isn't offered, so the researchers can go back to HGTV and tell them that nobody wants that kind of show. Then, they look at the stats for their current shows and see that House Hunters International has some of the highest ratings. Well, duh, because for those of us who liked HGTV before, it's one of the few shows left that holds our interest. Too bad HGTV can't see all of the viewers who have left the channel except for an occasional viewing of HHI.
Jun 17, 2012, 11:24 PM
susan2214
Totally agree...
Jun 18, 2012, 09:51 AM
rker321
Well, they could be correct. I have a DH that is now 53 her only daughter got married and now she spends her time going to concerts and bastket ball games. and just booked a cruise that is a concert cruise 4 days with all kinds of concerts. Well, !!!! maybe the mentality is not what it used to be. LOL. Now, for those who are protesting about HGTV. we should count ourselves lucky, At least they have not come up with" The Desperate Owners of LA." What amazes me, is the amount of money that HGTV must spend on PR people that are the ones that push these executive to offer the trash that we are all seeing. I guess, that many do like it. and we are all too old to understand.
Jun 18, 2012, 10:45 AM
aychihuahua
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Originally posted by doodles64: The trashing of America, one brain cell at a time.
In the days before there ever were cable shows or HGTV: a speech given by then-FCC Chairman Newton Minnow in 1961 --
" Keep your eyes glued to that set until the station signs off. I can assure you that what you will observe is a vast wasteland.
You will see a procession of game shows, formula comedies about totally unbelievable families, blood and thunder, mayhem, violence, sadism, murder, western bad men, western good men, private eyes, gangsters, more violence, and cartoons. And endlessly commercials — many screaming, cajoling, and offending. And most of all, boredom. True, you'll see a few things you will enjoy. But they will be very, very few. And if you think I exaggerate, I only ask you to try it."This message has been edited. Last edited by: aychihuahua,
Jun 18, 2012, 12:54 PM
santa_fe
I wonder how many people who write on this board are outside the 18-49 demographic?
Jun 18, 2012, 02:21 PM
mriley
I am glad to say that I have reached the ripe old age of 76 years. Sometimes I feel 40 and sometimes..140.
Jun 18, 2012, 11:26 PM
professorc
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Originally posted by santa_fe: I wonder how many people who write on this board are outside the 18-49 demographic?
I'm outside-
Jun 19, 2012, 01:06 AM
susan2214
My daughters and I are inside the demographic and hate the new programming. My daughters grew up watching HGTV and now that they have their own homes wish there were more of the old shows on so they could get ideas for decorating their homes, crafting and gardening. Their styles are very different. We all work full time, they are both college graduates and our income levels are good. We are very fortunate, but watch our budgets. I still think alot of the 20 and 30 somethings would enjoy and appreciate the older show formats. Granted they do like more of the reality type shows, that's not all they watch...
Jun 19, 2012, 10:10 AM
rker321
Ok i'll bite. What does that question mean. about being inside or outside the demographic. 18-49. Does that implies that people over 49 have no bearing or know what they are speaking about? Does it mean that the TV Station don't care to include the over 50 generation ideas in their programming? Do they think that this generation of over 49 is equal to the 49 generation of years ago? I will disagree. We all grew up with talkies, automobiles, typewriters, computers, phones, cell phones and IPADS, ITunes, MP3 music. etc. I don't think that any of us belong to a "dated" generation. On the contrary, for our ages in that category over 50, we are all pretty hip.
Jun 19, 2012, 10:13 AM
rker321
And I forgot to add, many of us even marry several times after 50. LOL
Jun 19, 2012, 10:51 AM
mriley
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Originally posted by mriley: I am glad to say that I have reached the ripe old age of 76 years. Sometimes I feel 40 and sometimes..140.
I guess this puts me outside the demographic and that is not a bad place.
Jun 19, 2012, 11:17 AM
zone9alady
Anyone above that 18-49 demographic is part of the babyboomer generation, which is the largest, wealthiest and most influential age group in America.
Whether You Think You Can Or You Think You Can't..... You're Right - Henry Ford
Jun 19, 2012, 11:44 AM
doodles64
Not only am I outside that demographic, my children are fast approaching the upper levels too!
HGTV, in trying to "keep up with the Simpsons", has completely disregarded the fact that good taste is timeless and bad taste (Kar-trashions, etc) is bad taste no matter how you dress it up.
Jun 19, 2012, 12:29 PM
gardenqueen
It's not just HGTV. Remember when Bravo TV aired plays and opera? Or when the History Channel aired programs that taught us about history? Most of the cable stations have turned to fake reality shows to make money.
Jun 19, 2012, 01:48 PM
MsWildhack
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Originally posted by gardenqueen: It's not just HGTV. Remember when Bravo TV aired plays and opera? Or when the History Channel aired programs that taught us about history? Most of the cable stations have turned to fake reality shows to make money.
YES! I've lamented this before. Bravo and A&E both started out as fairly cerebral arts channels. History started out showing documentaries featuring reputable historians. And let us not forget that TLC stands for The Learning Channel. What do we learn from it these days? Zilch.
When I was still in high school and my family first got cable, there was a channel called TeleFrance USA that showed all sorts of wonderful movies and television programmes from France. They were all subtitled. It was wonderful for me, I was taking French in high school and hoping to study it in college.
Why can't we have stuff like that on cable now?
------------------------------------------------ I've been around...well, all right, I might not have been around, but I've been....nearby. -from "The Mary Tyler Moore Show"
Jun 19, 2012, 02:28 PM
santa_fe
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Originally posted by rker321: Ok i'll bite. What does that question mean. about being inside or outside the demographic. 18-49. Does that implies that people over 49 have no bearing or know what they are speaking about? Does it mean that the TV Station don't care to include the over 50 generation ideas in their programming? Do they think that this generation of over 49 is equal to the 49 generation of years ago? I will disagree. We all grew up with talkies, automobiles, typewriters, computers, phones, cell phones and IPADS, ITunes, MP3 music. etc. I don't think that any of us belong to a "dated" generation. On the contrary, for our ages in that category over 50, we are all pretty hip.
Hipness and technological knowledge don't matter. It's about spending. People over 49 don't spend nearly as much money on the advertisers' products as people under 49. Take music, for instance. Do you think people over 49 are buying as much new music as people under 49? Do you think someone 65 feels compelled to update her iPad (if she even owns one) when a new version comes out? Younger people are acquiring stuff, older people have their stuff and with maturity they no longer care about keeping up with their peers.
Jun 19, 2012, 02:36 PM
santa_fe
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Originally posted by doodles64: Not only am I outside that demographic, my children are fast approaching the upper levels too!
HGTV, in trying to "keep up with the Simpsons", has completely disregarded the fact that good taste is timeless and bad taste (Kar-trashions, etc) is bad taste no matter how you dress it up.
Keeping up with the Simpsons? Funny. But yeah, we're losing our sense of class. One thing that I've learned in the workplace, is that for a lot of younger people, trashy, tacky stuff is funny to them. It's not that they don't recognize bad taste, they're just amused by it. They may not be taking things as seriously as you think.
Jun 19, 2012, 03:27 PM
rker321
Well, perhaps, not all over 49 update their IPAD, but I not only update all my computers, but I have a full network of over 4 computers sitting in my office. I have Smartphones, IPADs, ITunes, etc. So, maybe not all, but I do, my daughter who is 53 going on 25 does. And you know the reason? because we have the money to do it. The kids, wish for many of those things and if lucky their parents will provide it to them.
Jun 20, 2012, 07:30 AM
Charming
But for a network like HGTV it is the younger demographics furnishing homes, growing a family and buying all the stuff that goes with it.
We might replace a lamp or a chair that has seen better days but when we move we are usually downsizing and getting rid of stuff not adding more.
Jun 20, 2012, 11:39 AM
Graciepj
When cable channels first were offered, their philosophy was to attract niche viewers...the viewers that wanted alternative programming to that offered by the networks. Now, cable channels seem to be trying to attract the same viewers as the networks, driven by the same advertiser statistics. And, to the poster that thought the baby boomers fit into the 18-to-49 demographic, I'm sorry to tell you that the youngest baby boomer is 47 this year.
Jun 20, 2012, 12:25 PM
rker321
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Gee!!! I wonder what they are going to do when they loose that demographic. I am sure that they will be called old ladies and gentlemen that don't understand the present generation etc. I guess they will never understand that they are blowing it. That demographic attitute and idea by today's standard is really "dated." I am very different than my mother ever was, and I am sure that my generation is not set in their ways like many generations of the past. We have full understanding of what's new and many of us do embrace any or all of those things that make our lives better.This message has been edited. Last edited by: rker321,
Jun 20, 2012, 12:38 PM
Charming
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Gee!!! I wonder what they are going to do when they loose that demographic. I am sure that they will be called old ladies and gentlemen that don't understand the present generation etc. I guess they will never understand that they are blowing it. That demographic attitute and idea by today's standard is really "dated." I am very different than my mother ever was, and I am sure that my generation is not set in their ways like many generations of the past. We have full understanding of what's new and many of us do embrace any or all of those things that make our lives better.
But the question is - How much furniture have you bought from Target lately?
Jun 21, 2012, 01:14 AM
susan2214
Funny in talking with my twenty something year old daughter today she was saying that to her generation the boomers don't seem old and they like alot of what our generation liked. And the advertisers shouldn't discount the younger generation who is buying from Target...a lot of them are smarter than the programmers think. They would appreciate intelligent, informational and inspiring programming too.
Jun 21, 2012, 08:00 AM
metwo
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Posted Jun 19, 2012 10:10 AMHide Post Ok i'll bite. What does that question mean. about being inside or outside the demographic. 18-49. Does that implies that people over 49 have no bearing or know what they are speaking about? Does it mean that the TV Station don't care to include the over 50 generation ideas in their programming? Do they think that this generation of over 49 is equal to the 49 generation of years ago? I will disagree. We all grew up with talkies, automobiles, typewriters, computers, phones, cell phones and IPADS, ITunes, MP3 music. etc. I don't think that any of us belong to a "dated" generation. On the contrary, for our ages in that category over 50, we are all pretty hip
Spoken as a true baby boomer.
Jun 21, 2012, 09:22 AM
rker321
With all due respect to any Target user. but Target? I don't think so. I rather go to IKEA than buy furniture from Target. LOL
Jun 21, 2012, 10:14 AM
doodles64
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Originally posted by rker321: With all due respect to any Target user. but Target? I don't think so. I rather go to IKEA than buy furniture from Target. LOL
I'm doing a 4500 sq. ft. home right now for a client with 1.7 children. We will put custom stuff downstairs in the living areas (furniture, window treatments, etc) but upstairs in the playroom we are going to use IKEA storage and other things. They should hold up for 3-4 years until the kids outgrow them and it won't hurt to toss them when it's time.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with using Target or IKEA items as long as you realize what you're getting, and this is your budget. I do have a problem with HGTV pushing Target and IKEA as the best thing since sliced bread. The only reason I ever go to either of these stores is because that's what the client's budget calls for - and I'd never buy furniture at Target.
I will retract that last statement - just remembered I did a garage to playroom redo for a client who was doing afterschool care. We had a $400 budget that had to include carpet, storage and gaming chairs. Yes, in that case, the gaming chairs came from Target.This message has been edited. Last edited by: doodles64,
Jun 21, 2012, 10:54 AM
Charles D
I have to agree with Doodles.I'm very picky about my own furniture and all my deck furniture is from Target.It's all plastic but it's great.
It's not so much where the furniture comes from, but this new direction HGTV is taking. The PTB have come out and said viewers should expect to see more product placement and more user friendly info links to those products.
This is the society that we live in. Brand names give people more confidence in a product, even though nothing is particularly well made anymore.Especially Target quality (and don't even get me started on the environmental hazards of Chinese made furniture).
I think it is a losing battle to expect high moral or ethical values from T.V. Not everyone will fall for these obvious ploys, but enough people will to make this sort of marketing worth alienating a more "high brow" audience.
Jun 21, 2012, 03:34 PM
rker321
I guess the Target vs Ikea issue is turning into the Pepsy vs Coke competition. LOL They both sell cheap furniture, I prefer IKEA, that is probably my choice. I really believe that they offer better quality, and I think, not too sure about this, but I think that they produce their furniture in Europe. but I could be mistaken.
Jun 23, 2012, 05:54 PM
zygote
I thought it was just me that was think are you crazy HGTV. They see to care less about what the views want to see, and they don't read there message board if they did then they would know what the views would want to see. go in your vault and pull out those old shows. or update those old shows, make over a room for $500.00 designing for the sexies, design on a dime
Jun 23, 2012, 06:51 PM
professorc
Living in the city with the US's largest furniture store I don't have to resort to Target or Ikea.
Jul 13, 2012, 04:43 PM
CC-IMO
Wellllll remeember the guy on HH that had the dog, carrying it around? looking for the million dollar plus home in Manhattan that wouldn't want the toliet some else used LOL, he'd be perfect for a silly show like that
Only, please, scripps network get yourselves a "pet lovers network" and leave these kinda shows off a supposedly home and garden network geeshhhhhhhhh talk about off topic??
