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I am an architect who loves architecture and all shows relating to it. I am not a prude or insecure about my sexual orientation. However, is it really necessary to have what seems like every other show with a pair of homosexuals in it? I don't have a problem with people who have that orientation as long as they keep it to themselves. Why does HGTV feel it necessary that they include an excessive amount of homosexuals in their shows? Do they honestly take up 50% of the population now? If not, can you not make such an effort to include them just to prove that you support them?

Can you find a way to be more offensive?

Please, let's have and adult conversation without people getting all bent out of shape about it.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if g a y couples were over-represented on HGTV, than their percentage of society. It seems that way to me too. (TAKE NOTE - NO ONE -- Not me NOR the OP said anything about an opinion of that group itself. So let's not assume things not said.)

For example, compared to Af ri can Ame ri cans, one group seems over-represented the other, under-represented.

That's all.

The architect doth protest too much, methinks.

As I said (sms29s66)I don't have a problem if you are, or support, that sexual orientation. I don't feel I was offensive. I did not say anything derogatory. My question is, if someone at HGTV was genius enough to develop the plethera of great shows that they have, that obviously have obtained the support from the masses, why do they have to distract from the primary content with something that is just that, 'a distraction'! I know you can't please everyone all the time, just as I knew this would not please what I thought would be the minority. But if that is the case, then what is the explaination (justification) for forcing the inclusion of this catagory of people if they are not a true representation of the normal populace? I personally don't feel it enhances any of the shows. If HGTV does, why don't they creat a specific show with nothing but people of that orientation. Then people like myself could choose not to view it if they didn't want to?! Just saying....

Refer to thread "How to watch hgtv". Most posters are unhappy with the decline of programming but these tips should work for you too.

Well, if you think about it, I would have to guess that most of the people who tune in to HGTV are going to be women and g*y men. With that being HGTV's main audience, that's who would apply to be on one of their shows. I doubt there is a huge number of men who watch the network unless they are watching with their wives -- or they are watching Mike Holmes.

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Cruiser, the title of your thread and the message certainly states that you think the majority rules (or ought to). So tell us--just who is this majority to whom you belong. If you say it's white men, I will fall out of my chair laughing.

I agree with what 1wiley1 said, "that's who would apply to be on one of their shows."
Wouldn't it be it is whoever is applying for these shows who would be on? Producers have to go with who has actually applied to be on the show and then pick from those who has the best remodel/house hunter, etc., or whatever the show is regarding. It all has to boil down to the fact that someone has to apply first and then have the right specifications - location, square footage, or whatever to be on that show. I really don't care who is on the show or what their background is, that part shouldn't matter - it is the house or remodel which should be the star of the show not the homeowner.

I love this thread. After being a designer for 30 years it reenforces my personal opinion that most architects are motivated by an inflated sense of self worth. They are neither motivated by beauty nor by empathy. For a career choice that should be focused on the needs of others, it is often the career choice of self involved, egotistical,preening peac*cks.

Oh, by the way the 49ers lost. So you straight h*m*ph*bes aren't doing very well this week.

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Originally posted by AKsunny99:
......... I really don't care who is on the show or what their background is, that part shouldn't matter - it is the house or remodel which should be the star of the show not the homeowner.

My thought's exactly!

It is very sad that the only people who respond to threads like this are obviously very insecure or have no lives which is demonstrated by the fact that the majority have missed the real issue. They feel defensive and become very abusive instead of looking at the real issue. There hasn't been one person who has addressed 'my' real concern. Hopefully, HGTV has heard me and 'read between the lines'. If they don't, they are going to start to lose a lot of viewers. 'I' have a lot of friends who agree with me and think that the almost exclusive inclusion of the numbers of gays presented in some of the shows is very distracting. Please just present the shows without trying so hard to demonstrate support people of that persuasion. Your shows are too good to stoop to that level. It isn't necessary. The shows are good enough to stand on their own merits. As to the rest of you, have a nice life.

Cruisers, sad to say that HGTV does not pay any attention to the complaints about their programming posted to these forums. They have their demographic and you (me as well) do not fit the mold. You will find, like the rest of us, that you are spitting in the wind. But I've taken heart from you--I'm planning to complain to C-span about their excessive programming of a group of old white men who do not reflect the majority in this country.

I agree about the programming, but it is falling on deaf ears. nothing we say is or ever has been acknowledged by HGTV
I personally sometimes wonder why they have a message board????

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I'm very sorry, but unless I have missed the mark completely, your request was that "certain types" of people be segregated to certain shows so you could choose whose renovations you might view.

Was that not the case?

The production companies employ casting directors. They cast participants to create drama or what some would call "good TV". Good TV begets ratings and ratings beget **$.

They're looking for certain personality types and favor anyone who'll playact along with the faux-reality that constitutes reality TV. To the trades, reality TV is considered 1% actual reality and 99% drama/fake.

Ever wonder why participants on HGTV programs are typically youthful? Many or most of the programs won't consider anyone over age 40. They hope to garner add'l ratings points (and add'l advertiser **$) in the 25-54 age range by using younger participants.

BTW, they receive numerous applicants.

All, JMHO and YMMV.

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. They hope to garner add'l ratings points (and add'l advertiser **$)

They should consider some new shows rather than
stale reruns.

On a personal level, I agree, Annie. Unfortunately, somebody's watching or the programming executives wouldn't perpetuate the status quo.

As long as tptb meet their financial targets, HGTV's stock price rises and management receives their bonuses, nothing will change.

IMHO, it's simple: don't watch... don't watch... don't watch...

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don't watch... don't watch... don't watch...

I record an occassional rerun but the years of great shows are long gone as anyone reading the boards will notice. I likened hgtv to Tvland once and someone here suggested that was an insult to Tvland. Very true!

Wow, that was quite a post!

"...As long as they keep it to themselves"???? How are they not keeping it to themselves? Do you mean they should pretend to be brothers and ask for TWO master suites (but will accept one in the end) or that one dress as a boy the other as a girl to fool us?

As far as an excessive amount of "them", I'd say that they're representative of a demographic that regularly watches HGTV, as others have stated.

A "distraction"? Why are you distracted, aren't you focusing on the homes?

sms29s66, loved your C span comment.

"It is very sad that the only people who respond to threads like this are obviously very insecure or have no lives which is demonstrated by the fact that the majority have missed the real issue."

Cruisers57, I have been a member of this board for a long time. I do not see where other long-time, faithful posters are being insecure, and they did not miss your real issue.

Your real issue is what is and is not acceptable to you, not others Time to move into the 2013s. There is a huge LGBT population in our country. It may be new to television, but it is not new to them. I am old enough to remember when people were disgusted by bi-racial couples. Now most people do not judge. Everyone who lives in the US, deserves equal rights and equal time. The constitution provides for it. The time has come for acceptance and tolerance. I am not part of the LGBT community, but they are more than welcome to be represented in shows on my television.

CC - Cindy did make comments about not judging but the comment about insecurity and having no life was made by Cruisers57 and QUOTED by Cindy, hence those pairs of apostrophes at the beginning and end of the statement called quotation marks. How handy.

I'm not one to quote the B.ible, but in this case I believe it is most fitting.

Judge not, lest YOU be judged.

Thank you Chuck Steak for clarifying my post. It is greatly appreciated!!!

Yes, the first sentence was not my words and came from one of Cruisers57 posts.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cruisers57:
It is very sad that the only people who respond to threads like this are obviously very insecure or have no lives which is demonstrated by the fact that the majority have missed the real issue.(quote)


A persons life and what they do is their own buisness,
I don't appreciate the reference to what is anothers preferences in life
all I look for is the scenery,the house ,condo,or apts,and what they they plck and how it looks in the end

"(quote)It is very sad that the only people who respond to threads like this are obviously very insecure or have no lives which is demonstrated by the fact that the majority have missed the real issue.(quote)"

This remark is uncalled for and judgemental on your part

we understand all and delicately try to answer without offensive remarks

you say that being judgemental is wrong yet you judge those who give their veiws without predujuice or dislike

this is only a message board
NOt peoples court
and yes we do all have lives, very good and wonderful lives
you have a right to your views and comments as all are intitled to theirs
we will not judge you
please give us the same respect?
G** BL***

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cindy8w;
me bad I didn't see that post until now
only read the 1st post
so very sorry for the mistake

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CC- no problem! Take care.

It is obvious to me now that I am the only insecure heterosexual male that watches HGTV and their wonderful shows. I am sorry for insulting everyone's "sensitivities" and promise to watch (and endure) the programming as it exists in silence. But if everyone is fair and looks at it honestly, I never "insulted" anyone. I merely expressed my non-favor to the 'amount' of homosexuals in the programming. I didn't say anything derogatory about 'them', unlike virtually every post that responded to mine about me. But that is OK, in spite of the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion (including me) I'll just shut up and live and let live.

its not a matter of whether you are right or wrong,its just that subjects like this are best not discussed or brought up
we tend to concentrate on the shows and the results
not
anything else,

just keep in mind that we have no control over the programming,the players the hosts etc...
we watch at our own discretion and try to enjoy the scenery, the properties,and the end results

your opinions are welcome as all of ours are!
its just a message board
that IMO HGTV doesn't pay attention to anyway LOL

Cruiser, just what is the correct "amount" of programming to be allotted to each faction of the population that makes up the HGTV audience?

As one of "them" I think it is only logical to bring up the fact that "those" people tend to spend a lot of money on decorating and renovating.(double income no kids) Therefore they are very likely to be buying the products whose advertisers make design TV profitable.In the end profit trumps any desire/need for proportionate demographics.

Yay, Charles D!!!! I'm sure that Cruiser (strange screen name for a straight guy)understands economics even if he is wanting in social graces.