found these lovely china pieces... the makers marks are German.... want to find the name of the company that belongs to the marks... so I can get the name of the set and maybe find the creamer and cups and saucers...... been to Ebay.... found it's cousin... but no info from the seller about the mark other than 'it's german'..... need a book or other reference to look this one up.... can you suggest either?....

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If you can get a picture of the mark, I've got a book by Kovels that it might be in. Off the top of my head I'd say it looks like Rosenthal.

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wow, Periwinkle!.. that's so sweet of you!.... here's a pic... the mark is a circle with Germany inside it and a little symbol that I can't really make out, at the base if the circle.... the numbers 1308 are indented at the edge of this pitcher AND the sugarbowl, so I'm assuming it's the pattern ID?.... don't know if the three slash marks mean anything but they're not on the sugar... on the sugar, the mark is a little different... same circle, same Germany, but the number 15 is where the little mark is on this one.... could that be a 'copyright' c and circle around it?....

if you find it, I'll sure be owing you a big one!!!.... Rosenthal?.. that's a possibility?.... I'll spend some time looking that one up anyways...thank you, lady!!...

Unfortunately, the mark gives no indication of who the maker is, just the country of origin. It's beautiful porcelain whatever it is.

If it helps at all, it looks like it's from around 1910-1920, based on the style of transferware and the shape of the handles-- they're a little art nouveau, a little deco.

They really are lovely.

if a piece is decorated with a decal or transfer, it's not usually signed by an artist is it?....cuz I just found a name, like a signature, on the side of the roses.... Periot, with an accent mark over the 'e'.....hmmmm.. something else to look up!..

thanks for the help... and if that name pops up anywhere and you notice, gimme a holler, willya?.... *smile*......

Hi, Toots-
They can be, actually. There were a number of common decals and decal artists that were used during the early 1900s, in both Europe and in the US whiteware/transferware made in the Ohio valley. It's kind of funny because you'll see some of the same portraits, etc., used in multiple places by different companies in totally different areas.

I'm not familiar with that name off the top of my head, but I can take a look in my US whiteware book this evening to see if it's been used on plates, etc. here.

I made the assumption the roses were transfers by how evenly balanced/consistent the roses look on your pieces, and by the fact that a lot of lusterware from that time period used the decals.

Yes, this is a generic Country of Origin stamp as required by the US Tariff Act of 1891. Most items with such a mark are usually made to order by several Porcelain Factories in Germany for a general Trading company or Importer. Based on the format of this stamp and the general style of your Set, In would date it ca 1900 - 1920s. Most well known brands, like Rosenthal etc, would prominently display their own stamps as well.

For information on marks, in addition to numerous books, there are several websites, some Free and some by Subscription, like ours - see my Profile for links.

my mother in law was from holland and she used to hand paint china, and along with all the numbers, and other letters, they signed the pieces with own mark, thought that was kind of cool. you could try the replacements plates site but they charge a fortune.

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